I was just reading the graphic novel, and thought... WoF doesn't have, like, any LGBTQ+ characters, does it? I mean, I could be wrong. I haven't read the most recent book.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Tui should create some/more LGBTQ+ characters ^^

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Umber is gay

 

Anemone is lesbian

 

mindreader could be trans but no one has asked Tui this yet

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does anyone even know who I am?

 

the realization that i needed you

 but i was never needed

but when you're gone, who remembers your name?

who keeps your flame?

who tells your story?  

 

I think it's been confirmed that there's at least one gay character, maybe a few more. Still, without confirmation it feels more like queerbaiting than actual representation.

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And Snowflake and Snowfox are gay, I think, but I haven't read the book so

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does anyone even know who I am?

 

the realization that i needed you

 but i was never needed

but when you're gone, who remembers your name?

who keeps your flame?

who tells your story?  

 

I'm glad to hear there are characters that are thought to be LGBT! The main thing I'd really love is for canon LGBTQ+ ships. Oh, that'd be amazing ♡

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Snowflake and Snowfox are gay, too.

 

@RubyLavender Mindreader could be trans? What?

 

 

 

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"Birth is a curse and existence is a prison." - Michael

can this be a thread of all our canon-based headcanon/speculation for lgbtqia+ WoF characters? bc I think Sunny is aroace, and Clay is maybe quoiromantic

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I think SnowflakexSnowfox has been confirmed as canon FYI

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*eyes* I heard LGBTQ+ WoF

I too subscribe to the aro/ace Sunny headcanon :D

 

I have a lot of LGBTQ+ headcanons and basically all of them are ace 

I feel real strongly about Bi Tsunami too

I also like to think Moon is aro/ace too, Qibli is pan, and Winter is gay (though it'd be more likely he's bi/pan as well)

I definitely have more but I need to think of them--

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Don't head canons have to go along with canon?

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"Birth is a curse and existence is a prison." - Michael

No?? That's the opposite of headcanons???

Especially when nothing is confirmed. What canon are we supposed to go along with when basically no one has confirmed sexualities??

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"Words are powerful. Truth and lies can both be fired as powerfully as bullets from a gun."

WoF is actually one of the only series’ that I have read that have LGBTQA+ ships. That’s really sad, but I think it is getting more common now.

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And, you know, rainbows.

 

 

Someone said that Mindreader was mentioned as male in The Dark Secret, but later on in the rest of the series, starting from Moon Rising, Mindreader is female. I don't know if this is true or not, because I don't remember The Dark Secret very well and I don't own the book. 

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and history obliterates  

 

and in every picture it paints

 

 it paints me and all my mistakes

 

 

and if there's a reason i'm still alive when everyone who loves me has died  

 

 

Well, Tui confirmed Sunny will end up with someone, Moon is dating Qibli, Winter likes Moon, 

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"Birth is a curse and existence is a prison." - Michael

moon and anemone and both nonbinary lesbians and thats just how it id

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"Words are powerful. Truth and lies can both be fired as powerfully as bullets from a gun."

Honestly all the LGBTQ+ in the canon series so far seems more like queerbaiting. For example, Anemone x Tamarin. That ship came out of nowhere (name one time before the epilogue of DoD that it was hinted at), and it feels like Tui just put it in to satisfy the fans who wanted a gay ship. And although Umber canonically thinks about Qibli being good-looking, which I'm interpreting as him being canonically gay, he's never mentioned after MR. I haven't read the winglet with Snowflake/Snowfox, so I can't say anything about it. But my point is that all the gay characters in WoF are just gay for the sake of having a gay character, and that's not actually representation. 

 

(That was way longer and angrier than I meant it to be... sorry.) 

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I definitely think we should have a book PoV that's LGBTQ+, instead of really random side characters. I don't think it'd save the series, but representation would help a little. In my opinion it's been going downhill since The Brighest Night. 

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Sure, Anemone liking tamarin was a hot out of the blue, but aren’t many crushes like that? It’s not as though they just randomly became a couple 

no one even knows if tamarin is lgbtq

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@Corey- The thing is, even if crushes in real life work that way, in fiction it feels unnatural to read. It felt like the ship was just thrown in there at the last minute instead of actually thought out and developed. Anemone was never shown to think of Tamarin like that before, even though she (Anemone) was present during much of DoD. 

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I mean

If it's not going to do anything

I don't think characters should be LGBT or at least not have it be a big deal

Like, once I read a book where a huge plot point was how one character was gay. I'm cool with that, it's important for the story.

But if it's not even going to lead to anything, it kinda seems like a Chekhov's Gun to me. That doesn't only apply to LGBT characters of course - I don't think anything about gender identity or sexuality should be brought up if it's never important for anything.

And, I mean, I wouldn't want to read an entire book that's just about LGBT - I'm not interested in that. So if an entire book was all about the problems of an LGBT character, it would just turn me away. WoF isn't really... about that sort of thing, and it would seem out of place to me.

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I just wanna pop in and support Lesbian Kinkajou 

 

i think the only reason people think she’s straight is because of the shiny scales thing on Winter

 

but look

 

shes a Rainwing

 

Rainwings are shiny and like shiny

 

 

so that theory doesn’t really work

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I like the idea that all rainwings are bi/pan tbh

Or at least very supportive of their LGBT+ tribe members

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Reading this thread I just realized how much I love all of these ideas.

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@Quail

In my opinion, the “point” of having LGBTQA+ characters is to make it seem more accepting in real life and make the story rumors realistic and appealing. Not having any LGBTQA+ characters is unrealistic. With so many dragons, of course there would be some, it’s completely unrealistic that there wouldn’t be, and it seems insulting to anyone who supports LGBTQA+. It doesn’t have to Ben super important to the plot, just like how giving side characters a personality is not vital, but makes the story more realistic and interesting. Likewise, if a story had side characters that were all one personality, with dull thoughts and actions, that would be an unrealistic story. (For example). 

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And, you know, rainbows.

 

 

@Quest: Well yes, but there are also canon straight couples. Do those feel out of place?

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#Anemarin

#Sayoko

 

#SupportPeri

 

I'll respect your opinion

unless your opinion

disrespects someone's existence

Well how I see it the series isn't worse or better with the inclusion of LGBTQ+ 

 

Yes some people may like it but you shouldn't not like the series because it doesn't have as many of those characters, that's not what the plot is about

 

Tui doesn't need to add them, but if she does good for the people who like that

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Honestly all of the crushes in Wings of Fire sort of came out of the blue

 

This is why there are very few WoF ships I have

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does anyone even know who I am?

 

the realization that i needed you

 but i was never needed

but when you're gone, who remembers your name?

who keeps your flame?

who tells your story?  

 

@Bramble I wasn't saying there should be none, I was saying that if it's never brought, up they never do anything, there aren't even any canon ships with them, then we don't need to know they are - no different for non-LGBT-characters, we don't need to know your gender identity or sexuality if it's not going to do anything ever.

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Yeah, I agree with Quail, I don't think having LGBTQ+ characters would really help the series.

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is anybody listening to the song that I sang?

does anyone even know who I am?

 

the realization that i needed you

 but i was never needed

but when you're gone, who remembers your name?

who keeps your flame?

who tells your story?  

 

i've met tui before, and i heard it confirmed from her mouth that umber is gay and snowfox/snowflake are lesbians/in a romantic relationship. personally, i love aro/ace sunny, aro/ace clay, bi tsunami, pan/bi qibli, bi winter, and bi foeslayer, if you guys have heard of strawberry (a fandom oc on another website). my wof otp is not even close to canon, but ever since i saw smolder's letter to vermilon, i have LOVED those two together!! they have a lot in common (which i've also asked tui about and she agrees that they are similar in many ways). i just really wish smolder's apparent interest in thorn wasn't a thing because it's ridiculously predictable aagh

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I think that it really doesn't matter, you shouldn't stop reading a series just because you're LGBTQ+, the whole series is for fun, and for people to learn to read, not for protesting if there's to much Straight dragons, or to much LGBTQ+ dragons. Starting allot of LGBTQ+ dragons won't help at all, and the only thing that will happen is that they have different types of crushes, and romance.

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Oh, gosh, I didn't mean to start any arguments over this subject. I didn't realize it was so widely discussed :O! Sorry if I started any disgagreements, I didn't expect this to get so much attention.

 

I, personally, believe that LGBTQ+ in WoF is quite important, and should be more discussed. It really makes the characters in the books have a bit more reality and depth to them. It also shows open arms to those who are in the LGBTQ+ category, as I have seen a fair number of users on this website are. I wouldn't stop reading WoF because of a lack of LGBT, I just think it'd be a very important step forward in literacy, especially with the large fanbase it has. It could send a positive ripple through the community. I'm glad to hear it is confirmed canon ^^

 

Sorry I can't write more. I'm on mobile. But please don't start a flame war or anything over the topic, it's just a little sidethought I had. Be nice ^^°

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@lily i think you and i are shipping/headcanon soulmates????? p much the only sexuality headcanons I have are aro and ace.

 

@midni do you know when Tui confirmed Sunny would end up with someone? I'm not trying to be mean, i'm just curious bc i hadn't heard that before

 

@everyone who agrees with me on aroace sunny: you made me smile :-)

 

also I do agree with .. whoever said it that moon is a-spec. maybe demi? Good stuff.

 

what else . . Kinkajou cupioromantic? 

winter is probably bi tbh

Turtle is pan?

starflight is demi? ?!!!! i just came up with this and i love it~~~

 

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Oxford commas FTW!

When's the next book come out?

I despise Deathy

Take care of yourself!

Bored

I like Comic Sans. Sue me.

Not a fan of shipping or romance in general.

A very confused qoiromantic

Crying abt KH

Look up “I do have someone in mind for Sunny one day that I have introduced elsewhere in the series, and if they ever meet, I think they’d be perfect for each other. But it’s a matter of getting them into the same place at the same time.” on google, you’ll find the interview where she said that.

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"Birth is a curse and existence is a prison." - Michael

ah, thanks. "if they ever meet" who???

hhhh well, i still think she's aroace. maybe if she ever meets that person, they could be qpps. or date.

 

 

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Call me whatever you please~

Oxford commas FTW!

When's the next book come out?

I despise Deathy

Take care of yourself!

Bored

I like Comic Sans. Sue me.

Not a fan of shipping or romance in general.

A very confused qoiromantic

Crying abt KH